Legislature(1995 - 1996)

04/21/1995 09:10 AM Senate HES

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    SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE                     
                         April 21, 1995                                        
                           9:10 a.m.                                           
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
 Senator Lyda Green, Chairman                                                  
 Senator Loren Leman, Vice-Chairman                                            
 Senator Mike Miller                                                           
 Senator Judy Salo                                                             
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Senator Johnny Ellis                                                          
                                                                               
 COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                            
                                                                               
 Confirmation Hearings for Appointments to the University of Alaska            
 Board of Regents:  Chancy Croft and Joe J. Thomas.                            
                                                                               
    WITNESS REGISTER                                                           
                                                                               
 Chancy Croft, Appointee                                                       
 University of Alaska Board of Regents                                         
 441 W. 5th Avenue, Suite 400                                                  
 Anchorage, Alaska 99501                                                       
                                                                               
 Joe J. Thomas, Appointee                                                      
 University of Alaska Board of Regents                                         
 879 Vide Way                                                                  
 Fairbanks, Alaska                                                             
                                                                               
 Ralph McGrath, President                                                      
 Alaska Community College Federation of Teachers                               
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Indicated support of the two nominees.                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
 TAPE 95-32, SIDE A                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 003                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN called the Senate Health, Education and Social                 
 Services (HESS) Committee to order at 9:10 a.m. and informed                  
 everyone that testimony would be taken from the Appointments to the           
 University of Alaska Board of Regents.  The appointees were not yet           
 present, so the Chair called a brief at ease from 9:11 a.m. to 9:16           
 a.m.                                                                          
                                                                               
 CHANCY CROFT thanked the committee for accommodating his and Mr.              
 Thomas's schedules.  The University of Alaska is an exciting                  
 challenge for the state.  He informed the committee that the                  
 university is very important because most of the higher education             
 in Alaska comes from public education; only Wyoming has a similar             
 situation.  Mr. Croft pointed out three crucial goals that the                
 university should work towards:  (1) the continuance and expansion            
 of academic excellence, (2) public accountability across the board            
 by the university, (3) adult education - the previous mission of              
 the community college.  Mr. Croft indicated that adult education              
 would become increasingly important especially in lieu of current             
 economic changes.  The average person would face changing jobs                
 three or five or more times during their life; learning would                 
 become a life-long experience.  He predicted that in the future,              
 distance learning would become more important; location is not                
 going to be as important as opportunity.  In conclusion, Mr. Croft            
 noted his commitment to educational quality as well as equal                  
 educational opportunity to all Alaskans.                                      
                                                                               
 Number 093                                                                    
                                                                               
 JOE J. THOMAS informed the committee that he had attended the                 
 University of Alaska for a couple of years.  The university is one            
 of Alaska's greatest assets.  He believed that the diversity of the           
 State of Alaska creates the need for a university system to be                
 prepared to educate the children of Alaska as well as the adults of           
 Alaska.                                                                       
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN noted that Alaska is in financial trouble; the state            
 is facing reductions at the same time the university has increasing           
 needs.  From where could the revenues the university needs come?              
                                                                               
 Number 140                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHANCY CROFT commented that the students he had spoken to                     
 recognized the need for a tuition increase, but the students                  
 objected to the increase coming all at once.  He expressed concern            
 with the revenue change under which the largest portion is                    
 increased tuition.  He said that the university has gone through an           
 evaluation program which he believed was important.  He expressed             
 the need to ensure the implementation of the savings projected in             
 the reevaluation.  The university has implemented the Foundation in           
 order to increase revenue which holds much for the future.                    
                                                                               
 Mr. Croft stated that a land bill allowing the university to select           
 additional land for development to obtain revenue would be in the             
 best interest of higher education.  He discussed the three new two-           
 year degree programs of Prince Williams Sound.  These new degree              
 programs are funded by contributions or tuition paid by industry              
 who would then supply the jobs for these degrees.  He emphasized              
 that the university system is going to have to find additional                
 revenue sources.                                                              
                                                                               
 Furthermore, the university should explore new manners in which to            
 deliver services instead of the traditional build a building and              
 staff the building delivery.  He informed the committee that                  
 educational institutions, especially in this era, must utilize all            
 the new techniques of education in delivering education, which                
 often results in a lower cost than the traditional classroom                  
 method.                                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 204                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN was excited about the export of classroom television            
 from the school of engineering to outside Alaska.                             
                                                                               
 JOE J. THOMAS explained that the budget cuts serve as an impetus to           
 more thought with regard to how things are accomplished.  The                 
 coordination with industry being done in the Prince Williams Sound            
 Community College would seem to initiate financial support to                 
 education.  He commented that as students move into industry after            
 college, the students could create endowments for the university as           
 they rise up in the industry.  This area should be reviewed more              
 closely.  He reiterated the importance of spreading education                 
 through different mediums.  He also felt that the land grant was              
 important.                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR MILLER inquired as to how long the three major campuses in            
 Alaska could be sustained in the face of decreasing budgets.  At              
 what point would the campuses specialize, or concentrate all the              
 revenues at one main campus in order to become more efficient.                
                                                                               
 JOE J. THOMAS believed that the Board of Regents and the University           
 Administrators are already moving in that direction with the                  
 program assessment.  He acknowledged the possible conflict between            
 the Board of Regents and the Campus Administrators.  Someone should           
 review what is necessary and what can be afforded; what are the               
 needs of the community.  He also indicated that various                       
 communication techniques could afford some economy of scale for               
 some programs.                                                                
                                                                               
 Number 285                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHANCY CROFT specified that Mr. Thomas had summed it up well.  Mr.            
 Croft cited the perennial problem of education in Alaska:  how can            
 an education be made accessible throughout a state of this size               
 without duplicating.  Duplication of programs also duplicates                 
 costs.  He proposed specialization as one possible solution.  He              
 noted that specialization often carries a substantial cost to the             
 student.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Mr. Croft expressed pride in the Loussac Library in Anchorage and             
 the Consortium Library at the university.  However, if one library            
 could have been built to serve both the community and the                     
 university everyone would have benefitted.  He specified that                 
 duplicating services does not necessarily mean that new facilities            
 must be constructed.  For instance, there are secondary educational           
 facilities in the smallest villages in Alaska.  The community                 
 college system has utilized facilities such as those in the                   
 villages in order to deliver quality education.  Those facilities             
 must be used as well as other modern delivery techniques.  Mr.                
 Croft explained that the current trend in education seems to be               
 moving from site-based teaching to broad-based learning which he              
 believed to be the best opportunity for the university.                       
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN mentioned Judge Greene's decision regarding the                 
 discrimination of cohabiting couples and their medical benefits and           
 such.  He asked if Mr. Croft and Mr. Thomas supported the                     
 university's existing policy regarding the cohabitation of couples.           
                                                                               
 CHANCY CROFT specified that he had not read the decision.  He felt            
 that if the possible violation violates the state's constitution or           
 state statutes, then the matter would seem to be a problem for the            
 state to solve.  He did not feel that this matter was one in which            
 he had been called upon to decide.  Mr. Croft did not want to                 
 comment further on this case.                                                 
                                                                               
 JOE J. THOMAS had not read the decision either.  He indicated that            
 there may be some similar cases on appeal and headed for the                  
 Supreme Court.                                                                
                                                                               
 Number 343                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN expressed concern for the lack of future for                   
 agriculture in the university system which seems a shame since                
 agriculture, mining, and such were the foundations of the                     
 university system.  These programs do not necessarily require nor             
 need a large enrollment.  She asked how the university could                  
 continue to support agriculture.                                              
                                                                               
 CHANCY CROFT was nervous about the consolidation of the agriculture           
 and mineral programs.  He felt that it was important to continue              
 both programs.  He informed the committee that British Petroleum              
 only recruits at four of the 19 petroleum engineering schools; one            
 of those four is the University of Alaska at Fairbanks.  The                  
 ability of the university to respond to the university and the                
 state's historical basis through agriculture and mining is                    
 important.                                                                    
                                                                               
 JOE J. THOMAS supported both programs.  He did not believe that               
 there had been enough work done with the agriculture program in               
 order to illustrate the realistic possibilities.  The Alaskan grown           
 product is small, but there is more room for development of that.             
 Perhaps, the emphasis has been placed in the wrong areas.  He                 
 indicated the need to review what can be produced and the market              
 for that item.  The market should be defined first and then the               
 product should be developed.                                                  
                                                                               
 Mr. Thomas commented that mining is exciting, although it brings              
 some concerns.  The Board of Regents basically supports that                  
 program.  He informed the committee that there is a world-class               
 mine being developed in Fairbanks.  Part of the reasons for this              
 mine are due to the mapping and the work of the university.  The              
 community, industry, and the university working together would                
 accomplish the desired goals within the present budget constraints.           
                                                                               
 Number 408                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN inquired as to what concerns regarding mining                  
 development Mr. Thomas was referring.  JOE J. THOMAS clarified that           
 he was speaking to the environmental concerns such as clear-cutting           
 and mine tailings.  Usiveli Coal Mine is a good example of what can           
 be done; the environmental community should not have any complaints           
 about that mine.  Mr. Thomas supported mining and oil development.            
 Development can be done in such a way that most interests could be            
 satisfied.                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN asked Mr. Thomas if all his labor experience created           
 any baggage when he is on the other side.  JOE J. THOMAS did not              
 consider the university to be the other side.  Mr. Thomas indicated           
 that perhaps his labor relations experience could help the                    
 university with working out problems.  Mr. Thomas did not see a               
 conflict with his background and this appointment.                            
                                                                               
 Number 442                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR SALO pointed to the medical involvement program at the                
 university, WAMI, as an example of how small states can offer a               
 professional program.  She inquired as to the position of Mr. Croft           
 and Mr. Thomas on the issue of professional programs, which Alaska            
 cannot afford; how can they be offered in cooperation with other              
 states.                                                                       
                                                                               
 CHANCY CROFT felt that the medical involvement program is a good              
 example of how Alaska can work with other states.  Such programs              
 reduce the costs while allowing Alaskan students the opportunity to           
 pursue professional careers.  He said that such programs are                  
 acceptable alternatives.  Mr. Croft informed the committee that               
 during his time in the Alaska Legislature, he supported a change in           
 the Bar Admissions Act which passed in 1976.  That change allowed             
 students to complete one year of attendance at a certified law                
 school and then complete the remainder of their education through             
 an internship program in Alaska.  The WAMI program can be applied             
 in other areas in which the cost of the program is prohibitive.               
                                                                               
 JOE J. THOMAS agreed that the university cannot afford to develop             
 curriculum that would be pervasive at every school.  Programs such            
 as WAMI will have to be considered or students will have to travel            
 to obtain some aspect of an education.  He expressed the need to              
 encourage people in the pursuit of education, although each                   
 situation cannot be taken care of by the university; the university           
 can facilitate the process.  Mr. Thomas emphasized his background             
 in development.                                                               
                                                                               
 SENATOR SALO commented that for some Mr. Thomas' labor background             
 is a plus.  JOE J. THOMAS noted that perhaps his background could             
 be an asset in understanding labor relations and the process.                 
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN asked both appointees what had attracted them to the           
 position and what was the process for consideration as an                     
 appointee.                                                                    
                                                                               
 JOE J. THOMAS explained that he had been asked in the past.                   
 Perhaps the fact that he was born in Alaska and attended the                  
 University of Alaska helped people consider him for an appointee.             
 Mr. Thomas noted that he has dealt with many large corporations and           
 their deliberations as well as budgets and trust funds.  He has               
 also dealt with the political process to some degree which would be           
 helpful.  The labor relations background probably had some                    
 influence on the decision for his appointment.  Mr. Thomas was                
 concerned about the university.                                               
                                                                               
 CHANCY CROFT informed the committee that he came from a family of             
 educators.  He has been nominated in prior years, but never                   
 selected.                                                                     
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN asked how the cost per credit hour could be viewed             
 during efficiency work regardless of the diversity and location of            
 the campuses.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 526                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHANCY CROFT said that he was not willing to accept all the                   
 university figures as entirely accurate.  He noted that the Board             
 of Regents had discussed the need to ensure that campus to campus             
 figures were based on the same standards.  There has been some                
 progress in this area, however more is necessary in order to                  
 achieve comparable figures.  He explained that these comparisons              
 are necessary in order for policy to be established.  He hoped that           
 comparable statistics would be produced within the next year.  He             
 agreed that the cost of what is produced is an important element in           
 making decisions.                                                             
                                                                               
 JOE J. THOMAS also believed that there are some unacceptable                  
 discrepancies that need to be reviewed.  Statistics are being                 
 analyzed in order to determine if the numbers are comparable.                 
                                                                               
 RALPH MCGRATH, President of the Alaska Community College Federation           
 of Teachers, informed the committee that this organization has                
 represented the faculty who teach in the community college programs           
 for over 20 years.  The community college programs emphasize                  
 vocational, technical, and developmental education.  He noted that            
 there had been approximately 16 faculty present throughout this               
 hearing.  He expressed enthusiasm about the nominees to the Board             
 of Regents whom the organization has had the opportunity to work              
 with over the past 20 years.  He applauded the committee for their            
 discussion and conversation with the nominees.                                
                                                                               
 Mr. McGrath believed that Mr. Croft and Mr. Thomas would add                  
 another dimension to the Board of Regents, particularly a dimension           
 regarding job training which was lost when the university destroyed           
 the community colleges in 1987.  This organization is the only                
 remnant of the community college that could keep the name.  He                
 indicated that the board seems to have realized that the                      
 destruction of the community college was an error.  The board now             
 has the opportunity to review the restoration of the community                
 colleges.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Mr. McGrath also expressed concern regarding the program assessment           
 and the elimination of the agriculture program.  He related that to           
 the second class status placed on the community college faculty and           
 students at the university.  He informed the committee that in                
 1987, there were 13 accredited community colleges.  In conclusion,            
 Mr. McGrath expressed the need to return to the education of the              
 community college.                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 587                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN said that often the efficiency of the money and time           
 utilized in a community college is better than a traditional                  
 university setting.                                                           
                                                                               
 RALPH MCGRATH commented that Speaker of the House Gail Phillips and           
 Chancy Croft served on a committee that investigated the costs                
 using the university's figures.  This investigation pointed out               
 that 70 percent of all students in Alaska were attending community            
 colleges.  The community colleges operated on 30 percent of the               
 university's budget.                                                          
                                                                               
 Number 596                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR MILLER moved that Mr. Croft and Mr. Thomas's names be                 
 forwarded on to the Senate President.  Hearing no objection, it was           
 so ordered.                                                                   
                                                                               
 There being no further business before the committee, the meeting             
 adjourned at 10:02 a.m.                                                       
                                                                               

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